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		<title>Comment on King Edwards &#8211; Can&#8217;t Do, Won&#8217;t Do by JQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have spoken to a number of governors of a number of different schools.  I have always found that their perception of their school, its ethos and education in general, exists in an entirely different paradigm to mine and in fact to many other parents I speak to. Many parents express their anger and frustration about a whole range of school issues: in groups of parents they will express dislike of the way their children are treated, how effectively work is marked, the relevance of subject matter, the absurdity of uniform, the provision of too much or too little homework and so on. The mention of governors to such parents often brings about a rather patronising smile.

The original intention of this site was to give parents an opportunity to record and debate those issues, since clearly in their eyes (and I fully understand this view) the system of school governors is simply irrelevant to the debate.

My personal perspective is rather wider.  I believe that the education system is utterly flawed and fails to serve the interests of society or mankind in general.  I believe that wherever one looks in business, sport, politics and public service, that view is supported.  The root cause of the failing, in my opinion, is the lack of core values in society - and that must start with schools. I do not believe that this is the kind of debate that governors would consider it appropriate to hold.  Indeed, based upon my experience of conversations with them, I doubt that many are equipped to hold it. 

This site, of course, has largely failed.  Instead of taking the opportunity to address the issues, most parents have remained silent.  The relatively few contributions that the site has had since its inception have been from people who simply seek to defend the current system and everything it stands for.  In doing so they have not entered into debate about the issues at all, but confined themselves to attacking me for having the audacity to question whether the best decisions are being taken and whether the people taking them are effective.  One amateur psychologist even explained to me that my opinions are the consequence of being bullied at school - news to me! They have all, in general, done this behind a cloak of anonymity.  I find it all quite sad.

A rare exception with regard to anonymity is Annika&#039;s contribution to this thread.  Yet she is typical in that nothing in what she says addresses any of the issues raised in the article.  She merely berates me for questioning the head teacher and the &quot;good school&quot;. 

The few parents and a couple of teachers who have supported the site or some of the issues I have covered have done so only by private, &quot;not for publication&quot; emails.  Some have said that they fear the backlash if they expressed their views openly.  I do not need to wonder why that might be, but I do wonder why you have not given your name, given that your contribution is entirely neutral.

Perhaps even the mere association with a site that seeks to deviate from the status quo is reason enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have spoken to a number of governors of a number of different schools.  I have always found that their perception of their school, its ethos and education in general, exists in an entirely different paradigm to mine and in fact to many other parents I speak to. Many parents express their anger and frustration about a whole range of school issues: in groups of parents they will express dislike of the way their children are treated, how effectively work is marked, the relevance of subject matter, the absurdity of uniform, the provision of too much or too little homework and so on. The mention of governors to such parents often brings about a rather patronising smile.</p>
<p>The original intention of this site was to give parents an opportunity to record and debate those issues, since clearly in their eyes (and I fully understand this view) the system of school governors is simply irrelevant to the debate.</p>
<p>My personal perspective is rather wider.  I believe that the education system is utterly flawed and fails to serve the interests of society or mankind in general.  I believe that wherever one looks in business, sport, politics and public service, that view is supported.  The root cause of the failing, in my opinion, is the lack of core values in society &#8211; and that must start with schools. I do not believe that this is the kind of debate that governors would consider it appropriate to hold.  Indeed, based upon my experience of conversations with them, I doubt that many are equipped to hold it. </p>
<p>This site, of course, has largely failed.  Instead of taking the opportunity to address the issues, most parents have remained silent.  The relatively few contributions that the site has had since its inception have been from people who simply seek to defend the current system and everything it stands for.  In doing so they have not entered into debate about the issues at all, but confined themselves to attacking me for having the audacity to question whether the best decisions are being taken and whether the people taking them are effective.  One amateur psychologist even explained to me that my opinions are the consequence of being bullied at school &#8211; news to me! They have all, in general, done this behind a cloak of anonymity.  I find it all quite sad.</p>
<p>A rare exception with regard to anonymity is Annika&#8217;s contribution to this thread.  Yet she is typical in that nothing in what she says addresses any of the issues raised in the article.  She merely berates me for questioning the head teacher and the &#8220;good school&#8221;. </p>
<p>The few parents and a couple of teachers who have supported the site or some of the issues I have covered have done so only by private, &#8220;not for publication&#8221; emails.  Some have said that they fear the backlash if they expressed their views openly.  I do not need to wonder why that might be, but I do wonder why you have not given your name, given that your contribution is entirely neutral.</p>
<p>Perhaps even the mere association with a site that seeks to deviate from the status quo is reason enough.</p>
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		<title>Comment on King Edwards &#8211; Can&#8217;t Do, Won&#8217;t Do by Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://louthparents.co.uk/2010/12/02/king-edwards-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1517</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On what do you base your assertion that governors are &#039;virtually duty bound to support the school and the headteacher in every way&#039;? Have you had comments from governors to that effect, or have you previously been a parent governor of any school?

Even if you perceive problems with the current system of school management, surely that does not necessarily preclude the possibility of making any positive impact on a school as a parent governor?

Your strong feeling about and commitment towards education provision in Louth is laudable, but I think standing for election as a parent governor to become involved in effecting change would constitute a much more positive and proactive move than continuing to snipe from the sidelines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On what do you base your assertion that governors are &#8216;virtually duty bound to support the school and the headteacher in every way&#8217;? Have you had comments from governors to that effect, or have you previously been a parent governor of any school?</p>
<p>Even if you perceive problems with the current system of school management, surely that does not necessarily preclude the possibility of making any positive impact on a school as a parent governor?</p>
<p>Your strong feeling about and commitment towards education provision in Louth is laudable, but I think standing for election as a parent governor to become involved in effecting change would constitute a much more positive and proactive move than continuing to snipe from the sidelines.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Monks Dyke &#8211; What&#8217;s Good And What Could Be Improved? by Anon</title>
		<link>http://louthparents.co.uk/2010/06/15/monks-dyke-whats-good-and-what-could-be-improved/comment-page-1/#comment-704</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must admit i have not aired my concerns to the school...yet. This is an issue that has only recently come to light. Rightly or wrongly i was waiting to see what the ofsted report said and what the schools response is to the results of the ofsted report. I have also had comments from other parents who have aired various concerns to them and felt like nothing gets sorted out which puts me off slightly. If nothing changes next term i shall go and see what they have to say about it but are they going to take on permanent staff just because im not happy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit i have not aired my concerns to the school&#8230;yet. This is an issue that has only recently come to light. Rightly or wrongly i was waiting to see what the ofsted report said and what the schools response is to the results of the ofsted report. I have also had comments from other parents who have aired various concerns to them and felt like nothing gets sorted out which puts me off slightly. If nothing changes next term i shall go and see what they have to say about it but are they going to take on permanent staff just because im not happy?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Monks Dyke &#8211; What&#8217;s Good And What Could Be Improved? by JQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment.

What does the school say about your concerns?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>What does the school say about your concerns?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Monks Dyke &#8211; What&#8217;s Good And What Could Be Improved? by Anon</title>
		<link>http://louthparents.co.uk/2010/06/15/monks-dyke-whats-good-and-what-could-be-improved/comment-page-1/#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a daughter in year 8 at monks dyke technology college and im quite astounded at the amount of times she has come home saying she has had yet another supply teacher for at least 1 of her subjects that day. What has happened to continuity? Is it cheaper for them to hire temporary staff? Im not sure this will do the children any good not knowing who their teacher is likely to be until they turn up for their lesson. She has had 3 different maths teachers in the same amount of weeks. She has had to go looking for staff upon arriving for P.E at least 3 times as no one has even turned up. After eventually finding whoever is taking the P.E lesson, the children have had to ‘fill them in’ on the where’s and the what’s. Who are the adults here? Another frustration of mine is the dreaded lockers…many things (some of them important) are left in her locker. Yes, its her fault for leaving them in there but do they really need them? I carried everything around with me when i was at school. Cant they? At least they will bring homework and letters home on time. At least everything will all be stuffed in one place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a daughter in year 8 at monks dyke technology college and im quite astounded at the amount of times she has come home saying she has had yet another supply teacher for at least 1 of her subjects that day. What has happened to continuity? Is it cheaper for them to hire temporary staff? Im not sure this will do the children any good not knowing who their teacher is likely to be until they turn up for their lesson. She has had 3 different maths teachers in the same amount of weeks. She has had to go looking for staff upon arriving for P.E at least 3 times as no one has even turned up. After eventually finding whoever is taking the P.E lesson, the children have had to ‘fill them in’ on the where’s and the what’s. Who are the adults here? Another frustration of mine is the dreaded lockers…many things (some of them important) are left in her locker. Yes, its her fault for leaving them in there but do they really need them? I carried everything around with me when i was at school. Cant they? At least they will bring homework and letters home on time. At least everything will all be stuffed in one place.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About LouthParents by JQ</title>
		<link>http://louthparents.co.uk/2010/06/25/brand-site/comment-page-1/#comment-690</link>
		<dc:creator>JQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We found Scamblesby (between Louth and Horncastle) very good.  It is small enough to make every kid matter as an individual.  Also heard good reports about North Cockerington (3 miles NE of Louth).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We found Scamblesby (between Louth and Horncastle) very good.  It is small enough to make every kid matter as an individual.  Also heard good reports about North Cockerington (3 miles NE of Louth).</p>
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		<title>Comment on About LouthParents by Deepa</title>
		<link>http://louthparents.co.uk/2010/06/25/brand-site/comment-page-1/#comment-682</link>
		<dc:creator>Deepa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi , planning to move soon to lincs due to change in job.Like to move to louth because of some good secondary schools. But what about the primary ? my kids still in primary school.So they need to move into one good primary.Any suggestions please.Really need help.Could anyone advise.Hope to here some soon..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi , planning to move soon to lincs due to change in job.Like to move to louth because of some good secondary schools. But what about the primary ? my kids still in primary school.So they need to move into one good primary.Any suggestions please.Really need help.Could anyone advise.Hope to here some soon..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Great Start For This Site by JQ</title>
		<link>http://louthparents.co.uk/2010/07/09/great-start-for-this-site-2/comment-page-1/#comment-638</link>
		<dc:creator>JQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 00:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your comment.  I hope you will understand the need to delete the particular reference.

It is disappointing that there are so few comments from parents from all schools.  You will appreciate that, as I have little experience of the other two schools, it is difficulty for me to comment on them.

In the same way that I don&#039;t install my own bathroom simply because I am unhappy with the workmanship of my plumber, I don&#039;t home-school my children because I believe the education system can be improved.  Of course, if I don&#039;t like the plumber&#039;s work, I don&#039;t have to pay him - not an option with the education system, unfortunately.  Neither do I need to know how to install a sink to be able to discern that mine is leaking water.

I have spent a considerable time considering various approaches to education and I believe I understand the issues reasonably well.

You are quite right that I have little interest in rugby, but I have no doubt that KEVIGS &quot;do it&quot; very well.

I don&#039;t recall being bullied at school.

I wonder about the source of your apparent anger and your need to express it anonymously.  Do you feel threatened in some way?  Perhaps you are a teacher at the school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comment.  I hope you will understand the need to delete the particular reference.</p>
<p>It is disappointing that there are so few comments from parents from all schools.  You will appreciate that, as I have little experience of the other two schools, it is difficulty for me to comment on them.</p>
<p>In the same way that I don&#8217;t install my own bathroom simply because I am unhappy with the workmanship of my plumber, I don&#8217;t home-school my children because I believe the education system can be improved.  Of course, if I don&#8217;t like the plumber&#8217;s work, I don&#8217;t have to pay him &#8211; not an option with the education system, unfortunately.  Neither do I need to know how to install a sink to be able to discern that mine is leaking water.</p>
<p>I have spent a considerable time considering various approaches to education and I believe I understand the issues reasonably well.</p>
<p>You are quite right that I have little interest in rugby, but I have no doubt that KEVIGS &#8220;do it&#8221; very well.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall being bullied at school.</p>
<p>I wonder about the source of your apparent anger and your need to express it anonymously.  Do you feel threatened in some way?  Perhaps you are a teacher at the school.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Great Start For This Site by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this site is supposed to address Louth schools, why is there so much bias towards one of the schools? Clearly you are not happy with the level of education at this particular institution, so why are your children still there? Perhaps your efforts are best directed at home schooling? Perhaps then you might, and I stress might, start to understand the demands on such institutions. Before you decide to hit back, as you seem to do so defensively each time to peoples comments, consider this; could you do a better job? No! And that&#039;s why you haven&#039;t opted to home school. 

Quite simply, it&#039;s people like you who don&#039;t understand a system, therefore, you only have criticism for it - a similar concept to watching rugby; something that KEVIGS does very well by the way, [personal references deleted].

You were most likely the kid at school who was bullied. Therefore, you attribute all of your negativity at educational institutions to compensate for your early life distresses (yes, I&#039;m a psychologist). Two words &quot;Man Up&quot;! Learn, understand, then report. If you don&#039;t understand, then be quiet! Either way, stop being a winer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this site is supposed to address Louth schools, why is there so much bias towards one of the schools? Clearly you are not happy with the level of education at this particular institution, so why are your children still there? Perhaps your efforts are best directed at home schooling? Perhaps then you might, and I stress might, start to understand the demands on such institutions. Before you decide to hit back, as you seem to do so defensively each time to peoples comments, consider this; could you do a better job? No! And that&#8217;s why you haven&#8217;t opted to home school. </p>
<p>Quite simply, it&#8217;s people like you who don&#8217;t understand a system, therefore, you only have criticism for it &#8211; a similar concept to watching rugby; something that KEVIGS does very well by the way, [personal references deleted].</p>
<p>You were most likely the kid at school who was bullied. Therefore, you attribute all of your negativity at educational institutions to compensate for your early life distresses (yes, I&#8217;m a psychologist). Two words &#8220;Man Up&#8221;! Learn, understand, then report. If you don&#8217;t understand, then be quiet! Either way, stop being a winer!</p>
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		<title>Comment on King Edwards &#8211; Can&#8217;t Do, Won&#8217;t Do by JQ</title>
		<link>http://louthparents.co.uk/2010/12/02/king-edwards-do/comment-page-1/#comment-619</link>
		<dc:creator>JQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 11:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your post.

This site is called Louth Parents because it is open to the parents of Louth Schools to submit their views, as you have done.  The purpose of the site is to give the parents of pupils at ALL Louth secondary schools a voice which they do not have in any other way.

If you wish to celebrate the many successes of KEVIGS, you are free to do so and I believe that in doing so you would assist parents who are making decisions about the right school for their children.  A number of contributors have cited the &quot;good school&quot;, but none have given a single example that I can recall.

I have no doubt that KEVIGS is a better school than many - perhaps even most - but unfortunately,  given the quality of secondary education in this country, that is not saying very much.

You say that the school cannot open if any of the buses do not run.  The headteacher opened the school to Louth children only, knowing that more distant buses were not running. 

You say that any benefits of staying open are outweighed by the risks to pupils.  I might agree with you, but neither buses nor risks were the reason the Headteacher gave for closing the school.  The reason given was that after just 50 minutes, the 13+ teachers on site discovered that they were &quot;unable to provide any meaningful education&quot;, despite having a plan to do so.

Mr Lascelles letter does not stand up to scrutiny, but it is clear to me that many parents do not want to question the motives and efficacy of the school or engage in any meaningful debate about it.  That, of course, is their choice; in which case Louth Parents is not the place for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your post.</p>
<p>This site is called Louth Parents because it is open to the parents of Louth Schools to submit their views, as you have done.  The purpose of the site is to give the parents of pupils at ALL Louth secondary schools a voice which they do not have in any other way.</p>
<p>If you wish to celebrate the many successes of KEVIGS, you are free to do so and I believe that in doing so you would assist parents who are making decisions about the right school for their children.  A number of contributors have cited the &#8220;good school&#8221;, but none have given a single example that I can recall.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that KEVIGS is a better school than many &#8211; perhaps even most &#8211; but unfortunately,  given the quality of secondary education in this country, that is not saying very much.</p>
<p>You say that the school cannot open if any of the buses do not run.  The headteacher opened the school to Louth children only, knowing that more distant buses were not running. </p>
<p>You say that any benefits of staying open are outweighed by the risks to pupils.  I might agree with you, but neither buses nor risks were the reason the Headteacher gave for closing the school.  The reason given was that after just 50 minutes, the 13+ teachers on site discovered that they were &#8220;unable to provide any meaningful education&#8221;, despite having a plan to do so.</p>
<p>Mr Lascelles letter does not stand up to scrutiny, but it is clear to me that many parents do not want to question the motives and efficacy of the school or engage in any meaningful debate about it.  That, of course, is their choice; in which case Louth Parents is not the place for them.</p>
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